Legality of selling off your digital collection

DanG2006 · Post by **DanG2006** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:43 pm

Yes but the price goes down each audit from what I understand.
This is just for SC and CB products. They don't care about how you got the rest so I doubt anyone would really bother you if you sold off legally purchased downloaded material. It's not like there really is a way to tell who's songs they were anyway and where you got them unless you could provide the receipt for each song. Then it could be traced to you.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:23 am

It can't be both ways.

They can no longer agree with the blanket statement that they recognise 1-1.

And then turn around and charge people that do the audit and say it's OK.

So they (SC) no longer recognise 1-1 for back up purposes.

What about the other companies?

If you have a disc or paid receipt you have a legal leg to stand on...I would guess.

Without those you can not even attempt to prove ownership.

A hard drive full of songs without proof of ownership would be viewed as illegal to use for business.

DanG2006 · Post by **DanG2006** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:41 pm

They are recognizing 1:1 but it still violates the terms of license that one purchases when you purchase the disc.

When you purchase the disc you only have the right to play it in it's original form.
When you format shift to hard drive the music is no longer in it's original format. You need permission to change formats.
The Manu's are willing to give that permission provided you meet their terms which includes the audit.
It's not the one's who are 1:1's fault it is this way but the pirate's fault.
Possesion of discs is enough for most of the manu's to accept.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:55 am

1-1 was good until they started selling the download set...

Then they said 1-1 wasn't good.

1-1 was supposedly the industry standard they all recognised as a fair use issue. They used to say you could make a back up.

Now you can if you buy the audit. Again and again and again and again.

It's just easier to stop using their discs and cheaper.

DanG2006 · Post by **DanG2006** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:22 pm

Yeah that's one way. Another is to go back to running off of discs then you don't need an audit. I'd rather pay the cost of doing business in today's technological age than to do either.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:52 pm

It's just easier to quit using their product

and cheaper.

I will never pay every year to keep using something I already paid for.

I will keep making 1-1 copies to protect my investment.

Discs are antiques and soon nobody will be manufacturing players....then what?

How fast did floppy discs disappear?

If the rest of the industry still recognises 1-1...then what? It makes them look like idiots.....and what of the people that did the audit?

How many KJs to date have completed the audit?

My guess is less than 50.

DanG2006 · Post by **DanG2006** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:47 pm

Many more are being sued for using their trademark without their permission.

Are you really going to stop using a product you paid for?

Doesn't make sense unless you're trying to get singers to leave your show for not having the version or even the song they want just so you can save money.

Post by **wiseguy** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:20 am

Bigdog wrote:It's just easier to quit using their product

and cheaper.

I will never pay every year to keep using something I already paid for.

I will keep making 1-1 copies to protect my investment.

Discs are antiques and soon nobody will be manufacturing players....then what?

How fast did floppy discs disappear?

If the rest of the industry still recognises 1-1...then what? It makes them look like idiots.....and what of the people that did the audit?

How many KJs to date have completed the audit?

My guess is less than 50.

This one of the rare occasions that I agree with Bigdog 100%. I assure you that you can get by perfectly well without using any SC music. Nobody will even miss it.

I'm just waiting on the day, and it will come, when someone challenges this in court and puts end to this BS. Someone please explain to me how a company is damaged by their logo being displayed from a hard drive as opposed to a disc. It's absurd.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:44 am

I can't and don't worry about who is not at my show. I worry about the ones that are.

Most of the show attendance decisions today seem to be made over smoking or no smoking.

They still go to the other karaoke shows with crappy sounding systems.

If I was worried about people coming I wouldn't edit my song book. Now that may cause some people not to come. But they are exactly the people I don't want at my shows. They tend to be the trouble makers.

How many customers has Sound Choice lost over this lawsuit deal? If we can't make money selling discs we'll making it with lawsuits...

Put KJs out of business and keep lawyers working.....How many karaoke discs did the lawyers buy last year?

My guess is I bought more.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:46 am

One more issue..

If the economy drops any lower no bars will be open and KJs will be sitting at home with no money to buy discs.

DanG2006 · Post by **DanG2006** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:10 pm

SC won a huge default judgement in FL. $750,000 and the ability to confiscate and delete SC product off of their systems. They have 30 days to do so once they confiscate everything. That should put the company in question, Karaoke Miami out of business for at least 30 days.

Post by **wiseguy** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:07 pm

From what I have read Karaoke Miami are the definition of karaoke song pirates. Caught using multiple copies of a karaoke song library, by multiple KJs, to perform at multiple venues, they deserve everything that happens to them.