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Credit Score issues created shopping for a vehicle...

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If you are planning to buy a vehicle for karaoke equipment hauling or personal use take heed....

This just happened to me..

Trying to be a prudent shopper I started searching the internet to check for the best price and to find a vehicle I wanted.

This is where the problem started.

Some dealer sites have tricks they use to get your info. I wanted to check the value of my trade-in and see their "special" internet price. So you fill out their form with your name and other info (mandatory info to get an answer)....they start shopping around for a lender. :shock: :evil: I didn't find this out till later. I looked at dealer sites in 3 different states up to 5 hours away. I have been searching about a week.

Everytime they do a lending search your credit score starts dropping. Now all I was doing was checking around. I never told or authorized any of them to do any searching about a loan.

I did my credit reports and checked my credit scores before I actually went shopping. I found a local dealer (1 hour away) that showed an internet inventory of hunderds of vehicles. :shock: Another trick. :evil: I thought with all the dealers that closed this guy must have taken in a lot of closed dealer inventory. :roll:

I get to the dealer and tell them I wanted "X" vehicle I saw in their inventory. They show every vehicle they have access to from any number of other dealers in a 10 state area. :evil: The vehicle I want isn't even in the state. I told the sales lady their site sucks. :shock: The only reason I drove an hour was because I stupidly thought they had the vehicle here. TRICKY on their part, STUPID on mine. :evil: :evil: :evil: I should have walked then.

I could have gone to a dealer 3 miles away from my house. :evil: :twisted:

So we start to work a deal on the out of state vehicle. After 4 hours they start to shop for the loan. But then the price can't be finalized because of the issues involved in getting the vehicle here. The sales manager asks me my credit score. Which I PAID to look at days before. He comes back and says the score I told him and what is coming up isn't the same. :shock: :evil: He acts like I'm lying about it. :evil: So what I PAID to see was a waste of money.

Here is what I have determined.

Your credit score is controlled by a comuter program of some type. The computers are all tied together.

Everytime you use a credit card or apply for a loan...instantly your credit score is effected and changes.

Never pay to see your credit score...because it constantly changes. The score you just paid to see has passed and is of no use now.

Everytime you make any type of installment, loan, credit card or utility payment ..your credit score intantly changes.

Paying extra or above the minimum on any payment regularly doesn't add to or improve your credit score. Which should make your credit score go up.

Rich banks want to suck the poor people dry.

30 seconds late on any payment will crash your credit score instantly.

Any excuse to lower your credit score is good enough for them. It makes somebody more money. It takes an act of congress to make your credit score go up. It's like interest rates or gasoline prices. Just thinking about them makes them go up very fast. They are always very slow to come down.

A new vehicle is the second biggest item next to a house you will buy. The credit report/score places should realized people will be shopping around for the best price. It's not like buying a pair of shoes. Multiple loan requests from dealers should not be held against your credit score. Dealers shouldn't be shopping for a loan without you actually telling them to do it.

With the cars sales market in the dumpster they all want to make a sale so they have these little gimmicks to try to lure you to their dealership.

Technically all of these unauthorized dealer loan inquiries or credit searches or whatever they did, lowered my credit score.

Use the internet to shop for the best price or check inventory but don't give any dealer you don't plan on buying from any info that can be used to do unauthorized credit searches.

Knowing now what I just found out the hard way (and I had other people tell me it has happened to them) I wouldn't have done the internet thing.

I would just go to the closest dealer and let them find the vehicle and do the best deal with them. That way there won't be multiple searches showing up against you on your credit report. Each search whether you authorized it or not has a instant negative impact on your score. Makes you qualified to pay a higher interest rate.

The banks and or big government have got this down to a science. It's a way to extract more money from your pockets. The rich and powerful want poor people to use credit cards so they become more rich.

Too much power is being given to the credit report and credit score. It can be used to keep you from getting a job. Get you dropped by your insurance company. Used to make you pay higher conventional loan interest rates.

If you don't have a credit card you can't get credit. They want people in debt. If you use your credit card too much and your balance is to high it costs you higher interest and lowers your credit score. You can't win.

The answer is have credit cards that have a tiny balance you can pay off every month. Don't use is except in an emergency. The get a real loan to pay it off quickly.

I am reevaluating how I look at and use loans and credit cards. The value being placed on your credit score has increased to a very high level. It will control your entire life. From employment (whether they hire you or not) to car insurance rates (and if they even want to insure you or drop you.) To the amonut of credit card and loan interest rates.

Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. :cry: :lol:

It's a good thing I don't need a vehicle. I just wanted to take advantage of the great incentive deals.

Whether it was on purpose or accidentally those car dealers brought my score down. It works in their favor because you have to pay a higher interest rate and they will make more money. So the good deal on the front door goes out the back door.

I have heard they now examine the places and purchases you make. And there are certain things you shouldn't put on credit cards because they can effect your credit score. :shock: :shock: :shock: Whose money is it anyway. I'm paying for it, not you.

Food shopping, por-no, fast food, bar tabs......all drop your score. :shock:

Cash is still King. Years ago if you bought anything on credit you were looked down upon like a "low life." Those days are coming back. :lol:

But they like it because it makes them richer.


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The only way they could get your credit score information and be able to do the "lender shopping" is if you gave them your social security number. Didn't you think it strange that they would need this to find the trade in value of your vehicle?

I never, ever, give personal information like my SS number to anyone online unless I'm actually closing a deal.
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I don't remember giving my SS# to any of them. Car dealers have very easy access to credit info. They were able to pull up all three credit reports and credit scores on one screen at the same time. :shock: You or I can't even get them when we pay for them.

When you do pay you only have free access to see them for a few days and then it expires. You need to pay again. They are trying to brain wash us and control us with the credit report.

They are using it as a form of discrimination. High credit score, you're OK Low credit score you're no good. You are looked down upon. Doesn't matter how or why your score is where it's at. Class discrimination. Low class. High class. Rich. Poor. Good. Bad. It's discrimination. :x

My numbers went down because of the number of inquiries. Not because I was late on a payment. Not because I didn't pay. Not because I'm over my limit. Not because I owe too much. Because they made too inquiries too fast. WTF :shock: :evil:

Of the three I ordered/requested 2 were available on line. One is coming in the mail. :? It's MY personal info coming in the mail. The dealer had it on his screen in literally a few seconds and he paid nothing. I saw the screen. He showed it to me.

The three credit scores were on the very first line. It said:

Credit Score: Exp. (000) Tran Uni. (000) Equ. Fax: (000)
They all fit on one line.

Since it was the very first line on the screen, tells me that was all that mattered. The main determining factor. Nothing else on the screen mattered.

In the last 6 months I paid off my mortgage, I just paid off another loan 1 year early, and I always pay 2-3-4 times more than the minimum on credit cards.

It seems that my credit score was dropping from the first inquiry and a few days later when I paid to see my score, the number I got was before it finished dropping because of the other inquiries being done after I got my number. So I beleive my score number was even higher than when I ordered it and it was in free fall because of the number and frequency of the hits.

The credit score numbers must be hooked up to something like the stock exchange. Constantly going up and down with every little input instantly.

The positve hits take a long time to register and the negative ones change in seconds. Every bad hit costs us more money in interest. Good hits do nothing to put money in their pockets.

They want everyone to have a low credit score. It's a big money maker.

MY CREDIT REPORTS AND MY CREDIT SCORES. I have to PAY to see them. :evil: I can only get one free peek a year. And that is only for the credit report. NOT THE CREDIT SCORES. You always have to pay to see them. :evil:

$15 each. $45 dollars to see my score numbers. And these numbers are constanly changing. Today they are different.

Who knows how long it will take for the numbers to go back up. What will I have to do to get them to go back to where they were before all this started? Make sure there are no inquiries on my credit. How can I prevent that? Not use my credit cards. Not apply for any loans. Pay cash for everything. Make sure no payment is late. Pay off my credit cards.

It's a conspiracy to help them make major dollars.

Every institution has free access to all of your credit info and they use it as an excuse to make money more from you in the form of higher interest.

The want you to have credit cards. But if you use them they hold it against you. If you don't use them you still have to pay a "service" charge. FOR WHAT SERVICE? Not using them. :shock:

It's a money making racket. Better than Mafia Loan Sharks. The loan sharks can't ruin your credit score. :shock: And they are probably cheaper. :roll:

Car Dealer: Sorry Bigdog your credit score makes you ineligable for the Zero interest rate. The good news is you can qualify to pay a higher interest.

The higher the dealer can get your loan interest rate, the more profit they make. The lenders reward them for getting the higher rate. Win, win.

Credit cards are only good if you stay below half of the credit limit on the card. One credit report said one of my credit cards (the one I used to pay for my signs) was too high. :shock: Not over the limit. :shock: Just too close to the limit. :shock: :evil: The limit number they set. Just don't use more than half of the limit. Watch what you charge. Because they are. :shock:
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http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article ... ppy/181074

I'm sure there are many more tricks they use and are developing for us. :twisted:


I also talked to a guy that was in banking and he said the car dealers probably sold my info to who knows who and they probably did their own searchs. Anything to make a buck off somebody. :shock: :evil:

He said it could easily take 6-9 months for the credit it score to come back up. :shock: :evil:

I had a bank that was always pulling the bounced check scheme. I knew it wasn't me and something was fishy. But you can never prove it. I dumped them and never had a problem with the new bank doing everything exactly the same.

Read the last line about using cash like our grandparents did. Credit is a money making gimmick for them to get rich.
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I'm still getting credit letters in the mail. Those different dealers must have done at least 20 probably 30 or more different checks. No wonder my credit score took a free fall.

Never again.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budget ... ditreports

Read this carefully and you will see exactly what happened to me and how much things have changed. I was right when I guessed my score fell at least 75-100 points. It could have even dropped more based on the number of credit letters I have received. Those dealers/sales people fighting to make a sale actually blew me out of the water. Killed my low interest rate chances, my loan chances and through me into the highest interest rate catagory. :twisted:

It ain't like the old days anymore. The banks are absolutely going goofy to try and make as much money as they can any way they can. We are all going to be victimized by them more and more. You watch and see. :evil:

It will take many months for my score to recover. :shock:
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