People selling karaoke songs illegally on craigslist?

omahaguy68137 · Post by **omahaguy68137** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:36 pm

Ive noticed ALOT of advertisements lately like this on craigslist and other sites.

THAT'S RIGHT I HAVE OVER 180,000 KARAOKE AND MP3 SONGS INCLUDING THE TOP 100 MP3 SONGS FOR EVERY YEAR FROM 1946 TO 2009 PLUS THE CHART TOPPERS THUS FAR IN 2010. $125 FOR THE MP3 SONGS AND $125 FOR THE KARAOKE SONGS. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED PLEASE CALL *** *** ****

Isnt this illegal?? This person isnt selling a hard drive, or original cds. He is only selling "copies" of the songs and requests you bring him a hard drive to copy them onto.

DanG2006 · Post by **DanG2006** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:59 pm

It is as illegal as can be. Trust me, there isn't 180,000 different songs in production in karaoke format. Probably a lot of dupes.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:49 am

Funny you should mention this because I was just wondering why everything about the illegal hard drive delemma has died down.

I'm at the point right now where it doesn't matter too much. I haven't heard anything lately about the KIAA or Sound Choice or the Arizona witch hunt.

Yeah that guy is illegal. What are you going to do about it and who are you going to call? We don't have the answer either.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:54 am

I have one more thought about it.

The demand must be dropping way down...The prices are getting cheaper. Pretty soon they will be giving them away.

Every illegal KJ must have all the songs they need and gone out of business already.

Moonrider · Post by **Moonrider** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:33 am

Bigdog wrote:Funny you should mention this because I was just wondering why everything about the illegal hard drive delemma has died down.

I'm at the point right now where it doesn't matter too much. I haven't heard anything lately about the KIAA or Sound Choice or the Arizona witch hunt.

Sound Choice has filed lawsuits here in Virginia too.

Newspaper article from the Richmond Times Dispatch

Article from the VA IP Law Blog with a link to a PDF copy of the actual filing (all 41 pages)

The Virginia cases are likely to be resolved before the Arizona cases, since they're filed in the Eastern District Court, a.k.a. "The Rocket Docket."

The VA jury trials will most likely start sometime in June or July, and be resolved by September.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:56 pm

This could be a new karaoke disc manufacturing business model.

Make one disc with totally unique songs on it, wait for everyone to steal the music, file a bunch of lawsuits and make a fortune.

$200,000 per song. How many illegal KJs are there? Mega dollars to be made. Far more than buying the rights for hundreds of songs. Making the discs, marketing costs. You just need a good lawyer willing to work off a percentage of the take. He could be a business partner.

I'm going into disc manufacturing. All you need is one.

Bigdog · Post by **Bigdog** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:08 pm

I'm not saying that piracy isn't a problem contributing to Sound Choices woos, but is it their only problem?

They used to advertise 150 new songs a month. What happened to that? That number has dropped to just about none. Is it because the demand for karaoke songs is dropping?

Is it all piracy?

Most pirates don't last long because they find out they can't build a karaoke business with cheap everything.

Most disc manufactureres have ignored our (KJs) needs and concentrated on the home karaoke consumer. Maybe the home karaoke market is killing them. Each home user is only going to buy songs they like. I have to buy songs everybody likes. Who buys more songs? Every home user isn't karaokeing 5 nights a week. I am.

From my stupid, unknowing, just a guess 17 years of karaoke experience, 99% of the singers sing the same 5 songs EVERY night.

How many discs are they buying??? I sing 600.

So what's killing the market? Bar (KJ) karaoke is still very popular when you do karaoke and not every other distraction know to man. I still have people that want new music. More variety. KJs are responsible for killing some of the bar market. Doing everything at karaoke but karaoke kills the demand for karaoke songs. Daahhh

Are other disc companies complaining? Many are still cranking out many new songs per month.

I don't want to see Sound Choice go under, but who or what is their real problem? Who did you vote for, for President????

Maybe it's the economy?

Maybe it's bad business management. I've seen that happen once or twice.

Billy Bob Joe Bob 1958 · Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:51 am

I buy 10-15 new songs a week--online--from Tricerasoft.

What's good about it is that you buy EXACTLY what you want, instead of buying a disc that usually has only two or three worthwhile files.

So I tell my singers, look for what you want on Tricerasoft.com, let me know by email what it is, and I'll buy it and load it in time for their next performance.

That said, the selection isn't amazing. Very little Rage Against the Machine or even Todd Rundgren.

But it is better than buying discs loaded with schlecht!

So does anybody know any OTHER places you can buy songs for immediate delivery online?

I believe piracy is a very serious problem for the industry. You can't drive past a bar or restaurant today that doesn't run karaoke and all the jocks have tens of thousands of songs.

Not sure what the solution might be... All I know is, I do what I can to support the producers of our raw materials.