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8) Latest polls show it's a pretty close race so far, I know that polls today are worthless by November, but with all the mistakes Trump has made you would think that Hillary would be way out in front. Both candidates seem to be in the 40% range, then there are the other smaller parties, Green and Libertarian, the left and right fringe groups. There is a 15% to 19% slice of the voters labeled independent that doesn't seem to like either candidate. They will be the deciding factor in the coming election it would appear.


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The Lone Ranger wrote:8) Latest polls show it's a pretty close race so far, I know that polls today are worthless by November, but with all the mistakes Trump has made you would think that Hillary would be way out in front. Both candidates seem to be in the 40% range, then there are the other smaller parties, Green and Libertarian, the left and right fringe groups. There is a 15% to 19% slice of the voters labeled independent that doesn't seem to like either candidate. They will be the deciding factor in the coming election it would appear.
Yes, it is too early to put a lot of stock in polls but they are showing that Clinton is regularly meeting or exceeding the lead Obama held at the same points in 2012. I'm still feel confident that women and minorities will snuff out con man Donald's chances. Even more so now that he has chosen a woman hater for his running mate.
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wiseguy wrote: Yes, it is too early to put a lot of stock in polls but they are showing that Clinton is regularly meeting or exceeding the lead Obama held at the same points in 2012. I'm still feel confident that women and minorities will snuff out con man Donald's chances. Even more so now that he has chosen a woman hater for his running mate.

8) The only problem is using what happened in the election before to determine what will happen in this one. That is sort of like fighting the current war based on what happened in the last one. This has not been a typical election at least on the GOP side so far. No one thought Trump could get this far, it is a big mistake to underestimate your adversary especially one is so far out of the box. It will be a very interesting election and closer than many think it will be. Lots of dissatisfaction out here and the voters could like in England suffer some buyers remorse, if Trump wins.
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wiseguy wrote: Yes, it is too early to put a lot of stock in polls but they are showing that Clinton is regularly meeting or exceeding the lead Obama held at the same points in 2012. I'm still feel confident that women and minorities will snuff out con man Donald's chances. Even more so now that he has chosen a woman hater for his running mate.

8) The only problem is using what happened in the election before to determine what will happen in this one. That is sort of like fighting the current war based on what happened in the last one. This has not been a typical election at least on the GOP side so far. No one thought Trump could get this far, it is a big mistake to underestimate your adversary especially one is so far out of the box. It will be a very interesting election and closer than many think it will be. Lots of dissatisfaction out here and the voters could like in England suffer some buyers remorse, if Trump wins.
Of course what happened in a prior election is not going to determine what happens in this one but it is an indicator that analysts include. We all know how con man Donald got this far but that group of voters is not going to get him elected. When you can make a convincing case on how he is going to bring around women and minorities to his way of thinking I will then start to be concerned.
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wiseguy wrote: Of course what happened in a prior election is not going to determine what happens in this one but it is an indicator that analysts include. We all know how con man Donald got this far but that group of voters is not going to get him elected. When you can make a convincing case on how he is going to bring around women and minorities to his way of thinking I will then start to be concerned.

8) I don't think it is about bringing groups around wiseguy. It is all about generating voter turn out, it doesn't make any difference how many groups you have on your side, if they don't turn out to vote. The GOP has already tried to stack the deck in their favor by the voter suppression laws they have passed, to effect minority voter turn out. While Trump's positive rating is in the low 20's Hillary's is in the low 30's, these are two of the most disliked candidates ever to run in a Presidential election, causing many voters to maybe stay at home. The turn out will be the key, and we will see if there are enough working white voters, in the rust belt to swing things Donald's way, I hope not.
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wiseguy wrote: Of course what happened in a prior election is not going to determine what happens in this one but it is an indicator that analysts include. We all know how con man Donald got this far but that group of voters is not going to get him elected. When you can make a convincing case on how he is going to bring around women and minorities to his way of thinking I will then start to be concerned.

8) I don't think it is about bringing groups around wiseguy. It is all about generating voter turn out, it doesn't make any difference how many groups you have on your side, if they don't turn out to vote. The GOP has already tried to stack the deck in their favor by the voter suppression laws they have passed, to effect minority voter turn out. While Trump's positive rating is in the low 20's Hillary's is in the low 30's, these are two of the most disliked candidates ever to run in a Presidential election, causing many voters to maybe stay at home. The turn out will be the key, and we will see if there are enough working white voters, in the rust belt to swing things Donald's way, I hope not.
Voter turnout will be another thing in our favor. People are going to turnout to vote, not necessarily FOR Clinton, but AGAINST con man Donald. He is not only unfavorable... his is downright hated by many women and minorities. And do think that women are not going to come out and droves to vote for the first woman president? Voter suppression did not work in the last two elections and it will not work in this one.
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wiseguy wrote: Voter turnout will be another thing in our favor. People are going to turnout to vote, not necessarily FOR Clinton, but AGAINST con man Donald. He is not only unfavorable... his is downright hated by many women and minorities. And do think that women are not going to come out and droves to vote for the first woman president? Voter suppression did not work in the last two elections and it will not work in this one.

8) It is true so far voter suppression has not worked, were it was tried more minorities came out to vote and stayed in line longer, so they could not lose their right to vote. From what I have seen and read the one area The Donald is really hurting in is raising the money needed to run an effective campaign. It is quite apparent he doesn't have the ready cash to pay for his run himself. The usual GOP contributors are not happy and they are not opening their wallets to support Trump. Hillary on the other hand is well funded at this time, and is currently running anti Trump ads.
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Hillary's ads are brilliant. 100% truthful and backed up with video evidence. Con man Donald's ads are a joke. All he can do is bring up Benghazi and the bullshit that has been thoroughly debunked. Have you watched any of the RNC? Morons standing up and telling one blatant lie after another. What the hell is wrong with these people? How could any American with two brain cells to rub together not be embarrassed by this display from a major political party?
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8) I saw a little bit of the Republican convention last night, there is no party unity, some of the biggest names are absent. Others are there because they don't want it said they did not support the party. The biggest reason Paul Ryan came was if Trump loses, he wants to run in 2020. He wants to say he has always backed the party no matter what. Just to have Trump head the ticket the GOP has had to change many of it's positions on immigration, free trade, dismantling the social safety net, Trump want to keep and strengthen Social Security, more of an isolationist position on foreign affairs. The isolationist position goes against many of the right wing neo-cons who believe we need to be very active meddling where we don't belong. There is an old saying if you go looking for trouble you will usually find it.
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Con man Donald doesn't have policies... he has opinions. He isn't smart enough to have policies. He can't speak intelligently on virtually anything. It's pretty damn sad when the GOP has to dumb down to accommodate their nominee.
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wiseguy wrote:Con man Donald doesn't have policies... he has opinions. He isn't smart enough to have policies. He can't speak intelligently on virtually anything. It's pretty damn sad when the GOP has to dumb down to accommodate their nominee.

8) Goes to show how much baloney they will eat just to have someone to run against Hillary. You got to hand it to Lying Ted Cruz, he showed some backbone, much more than other conservatives have. He would not endorse Trump despite the New York delegation wanting to tar and feather him. He stood by his guns and encouraged the rank and file to vote and return conservatives to Congress, even if Trump went down to defeat. For a guy who used to let Trump have his own way, hoping Trump would falter and he would win, he has come a long way. It might be the wrong way, but it is his way. Talk about profiles in courage. I don't like the man or what he stands for but at least he is a man and does stand for something bigger than himself.
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8) I have just read an article which states maybe both the Democrats and the Republican parties will cease to be over the next 10 to 20 years. Granted the Republicans might hold on to the House for another decade due to Gerrymandering but they will not elect another President. No party historically speaking who fails to win the White House stays viable for long. It would seem that the Democrats will probably morph into Social Democrats or Democratic Socialists since that is where most of the millennials seem to be headed. It is a reaction of the younger generation against the current corrupt political system that we have. It has loaded them with student debt they can't repay and has led to the worse case of wealth inequality since the 1890's when a few rich controlled most of the country's wealth. It is anybody's guess what the Republican Party will morph into. Maybe the National Isolationist Conservative Party who knows? One thing is for sure this is going to be a water shed election that will determine the course of politics in this country for the next 30 to 40 years, when the millennials them selves turn old, and keep voting.
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It's like they say... you can't stop progress... and progress in this country is democratic socialism. The GOP has done a good job of impeding progress but that has cost them dearly. They have come to the point of actually going backwards. For the GOP to survive they will have to let go of many of their antiquated ideals. As it stands, the Republican party is an absolute and utter joke. The convention was a grand display of just how dysfunctional and delusional they have become.
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wiseguy wrote:It's like they say... you can't stop progress... and progress in this country is democratic socialism. The GOP has done a good job of impeding progress but that has cost them dearly. They have come to the point of actually going backwards. For the GOP to survive they will have to let go of many of their antiquated ideals. As it stands, the Republican party is an absolute and utter joke. The convention was a grand display of just how dysfunctional and delusional they have become.

8) Some would say that is not progress, you have to go back to move forward. Times do change and the challenges that faced one generation is not the same as the next generation. People like Cruz will say they cannot give up their ideals no matter how antiquated they might be. The GOP is out of step with the next generation coming up and is depending on the Baby Boomers to put them over the top. This group is no longer the biggest segment of the population, and will become less with each year. That was the Hippy generation I wonder if they will get back in touch with their radical roots of the 60's and early 70's? One thing is for sure the WWII group is almost a memory, and the Korean War is fading fast also. Even the Vietnam group of Veterans are now in their 60's 70's. Veterans organizations like the American Legion and the VFW will we suffering membership wise since no none will be able to join for a 15 year period soon, if they don't change their membership rules, and allow all veterans to join, not those just in a period of war.
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Well, lyin Ted stayed true to his name by refusing to back Trump after they all made a big deal out of Trump taking a pledge to back everyone because they never expected him to win.. Lyin Ted.....no wonder he lost and President Trimp was 100% correct about him....

DEbbie wassoom is finished and taking Hilary with her..... Crooked Hilary and her goons got busted playing unfair against Bernie. And stupid Bernie still endorses her... What an idiot no wonder he lost.. President Trump was totally correct about crooked Hilary.... He must be psychic ...or a genius ...

Putin backs President Trump.... Benghazi was a total Hilary failure and dereliction of duty...she failed to answer the phone at 3AM....one of her campaigned promises... Another lie..
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