New KJ, I have some questions

[The Lone Ranger]

Bigdog and his ilk hear the hate speech from Trump and take it as an answer to their fears. They are incapable of recognizing their own bigotry and intolerance. Most are extremely gullible or willfully ignorant. These are the characteristics required to be a Trump supporter.

I prefer to think that all of our citizens have not forgotten the principles that have made our nation great even exceptional. Some of the Republicans have not forgotten that they are the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower. They resist the temptation to turn over their legacy to Trump. I hope that they put the nation first and winning second. There is no question that unless Trump pulls out a miracle, he will lose in November. He is too much of a loose cannon and needs to be tied down.

[The Lone Ranger]

Just saw on Morning Joe Trump is ahead of Hillary in latest poll taken in Ohio 43% to 39%. No Republican president has ever been elected unless they win in Ohio. So for right now Trump seems to be holding his own in this key battle ground state. Also it is close in Pennsylvania and Florida as well. This maybe more of a race than most people anticipated?

[wiseguy]

Bigdog and his ilk hear the hate speech from Trump and take it as an answer to their fears. They are incapable of recognizing their own bigotry and intolerance. Most are extremely gullible or willfully ignorant. These are the characteristics required to be a Trump supporter.

I prefer to think that all of our citizens have not forgotten the principles that have made our nation great even exceptional. Some of the Republicans have not forgotten that they are the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower. They resist the temptation to turn over their legacy to Trump. I hope that they put the nation first and winning second. There is no question that unless Trump pulls out a miracle, he will lose in November. He is too much of a loose cannon and needs to be tied down.

Certainly not ALL Americans are ignorant of the principles our country was founded on... but a significant portion are. That is the portion that will support someone like Trump. People shouldn't need an ID in order to vote... they should have to pass a test. They should have to know the basic principles that the founding fathers espoused when created this country. They should have a basic knowledge of the three branches of government and how they operate. They should also have a basic understanding of at least the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 14th amendments to our Constitution.

I live in a very red state. There was a good voter turnout today so I had to wait awhile for my turn. I was near the reception table and I don't think I heard another person declare that they were a Democrat. The stupidity in the conversations going on around me was nearly unbearable. How can people in this information age be so ignorant. One group was talking about how wonderful it will be when president Trump forces everyone to say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays. They actually belive he could do that! Sadder yet... that's the type of thing they find important.

Trump supporters are just yesterday's teabaggers. Ignorant, uneducable, and proud of it. Like the teabaggers they too will end up on the losing side of the general election.

[Bigdog]

No ID to vote...that is the most assanine thing I've ever heard...how do you prevent fraud...only US citizens have the privilege to vote...you sneak into Mexico and see if they give you ID, or a drivers license or food stamps and health care and welfare or any kind of a job. If you're lucky you'll only get hard time before you rot in jail...there is no "reward" for being illegally in Mexico. That is what scares me about liberals....everything that doesn't make sense is totally OK. Just the fact of entering the US the improper way makes them criminals... It's illegal to do...why can't liberals understand that? If they have nothing to hide...do it the right way..doesn't matter what race they are. Illegal is illegal. Right or wrong. Liberals think everything is legal and exceptable.... It's not exceptable to normal people.
There is only one way to make America great again.... Stop the politically correct liberal BS. The country as a whole needs to move more towards the middle ground...not far right or far left...that's why nobody can get anything done in Washington...to many politicians are too far away from the middle. I don't consider Trump far right. If he gave political contributions to Democrats and republicans before..he's not far out. He's closer to the middle than everyone else.... Hilary is far left like her "BROTHER" O...and Harry all the othe nut cases... Our country wasn't founded on far out principles..

[wiseguy]

No ID to vote...that is the most assanine thing I've ever heard...how do you prevent fraud...only US citizens have the privilege to vote...you sneak into Mexico and see if they give you ID, or a drivers license or food stamps and health care and welfare or any kind of a job. If you're lucky you'll only get hard time before you rot in jail...there is no "reward" for being illegally in Mexico. That is what scares me about liberals....everything that doesn't make sense is totally OK. Just the fact of entering the US the improper way makes them criminals... It's illegal to do...why can't liberals understand that? If they have nothing to hide...do it the right way..doesn't matter what race they are. Illegal is illegal. Right or wrong. Liberals think everything is legal and exceptable.... It's not exceptable to normal people.
There is only one way to make America great again.... Stop the politically correct liberal BS. The country as a whole needs to move more towards the middle ground...not far right or far left...that's why nobody can get anything done in Washington...to many politicians are too far away from the middle. I don't consider Trump far right. If he gave political contributions to Democrats and republicans before..he's not far out. He's closer to the middle than everyone else.... Hilary is far left like her "BROTHER" O...and Harry all the othe nut cases... Our country wasn't founded on far out principles..

Bigdog, the reason you think so many things don't make sense is because you are so f#cking uneducated, misinformed, and gullible, that you are clueless of reality.

How do we prevent voter fraud without requiring an ID... you ask? The same way we prevent people from owning dinosaurs without a permit. Voter fraud is virtually nonexistent.

You just can't get it through your goddamn head that undocumented immigrants are NOT eligible for government benefits. They do NOT receive welfare, food stamps, or medicaid. Their "reward" for coming to this country is the opportunity to work hard doing jobs that Americans don't want to do while paying taxes into a system that they will never be able to collect any benefits from. For the most part, undocumented immigrants contribute more to this country than YOU do.

You talk about the country needing to "move more toward middle ground" right after you spew a bunch of far right bullshit. Get a f#cking clue! Trump isn't far anything. He has no positions. He just tells the dumb asses who are his base what he knows they want to hear. Being the dumb asses they are, they believe his bullshit like it was the truth.

[The Lone Ranger]

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No ID to vote...that is the most assanine thing I've ever heard...how do you prevent fraud...only US citizens have the privilege to vote...you sneak into Mexico and see if they give you ID, or a drivers license or food stamps and health care and welfare or any kind of a job. If you're lucky you'll only get hard time before you rot in jail...there is no "reward" for being illegally in Mexico. That is what scares me about liberals....everything that doesn't make sense is totally OK. Just the fact of entering the US the improper way makes them criminals... It's illegal to do...why can't liberals understand that? If they have nothing to hide...do it the right way..doesn't matter what race they are. Illegal is illegal. Right or wrong. Liberals think everything is legal and exceptable.... It's not exceptable to normal people.
There is only one way to make America great again.... Stop the politically correct liberal BS. The country as a whole needs to move more towards the middle ground...not far right or far left...that's why nobody can get anything done in Washington...to many politicians are too far away from the middle. I don't consider Trump far right. If he gave political contributions to Democrats and republicans before..he's not far out. He's closer to the middle than everyone else.... Hilary is far left like her "BROTHER" O...and Harry all the othe nut cases... Our country wasn't founded on far out principles..

Voter ID is a new version of an old concept the poll tax. If you couldn't pay then you couldn't vote, eliminating voters because they were poor. If anyone needs to vote it is the citizens that are being exploited by the current top down system. In the past only property owners could vote, a slave owning plantation owner could vote the proxy of his chattel property, under the 3/5ths rule. In other words you had your one vote as the owner, and then if you had 100 slaves you would get another 60 votes since your slave represented 3/5th's of a man, women couldn't vote then, so female slaves were excluded. What I find incrediable is that a NRA card is used for voter ID and yet a student ID card is not, talk about trying to demographically supress the vote. Excluding collgege students from voting using their ID, since they tend to vote for the Democrats and allowing NRA members to use their ID since they tend to vote Republican. We should be trying to get everyone to participate not limit our Democracy.

[Paradigm Karaoke]

a few things are not being completely understood...
first the law, sb1070 is not to stop cops from pulling over hispanics.
i am required by federal law to have id proving who i am and my eligibility to be here (read your SS card or drivers license, both say that it must be presented upon demand). if i get pulled over for speeding and do not have a DL to show them, they can ask for other ID, and if i can not provide that, they CAN detain me until my identity id determined. SB1070 states that they can NOT do that to anyone of any hispanic origin. If someone hispanic gets pulled over, for speeding and can not provide a license, the officer can not investigate further and ask for other documentation showing identity or eligibility to be here. they must under the law say "thank you" and send them on their way.

second, according to border patrol,
OCT 1 - NOV 30, 2014---- 4,577 families crossed the southwestern border illegally
OCT 1 - NOV 30, 2015----12,505 families crossed the southwestern border illegally
an increase of 173%

why is this happening? here is a picture of the actual U.S. Mexico border in AZ.


yup....that's it.

and to make it worse....


illegal immigrants crossed the border and snuck in crossing the desert and died. the families of those immigrants (illegal immigrants...therefore by definition criminals who died during the commission of a crime) sued the state of Arizona and won so we are now legally required to keep these type of water stations out to make it safer for others to break the law.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[The Lone Ranger]

So what are you saying? That we have to look like Nazi Germany in WWII and require everyone to carry papers, and if when checked you don't have them your are arrested, or worse questioned by the Gestapo, even maybe executed? I'm just asking how far we are supposed to go with this? Providing water in the desert is simply a humanitarian gesture, to prevent loss of life. It shows how desperate some people are to get to this country, just like the Syrians fleeing across the sea in overcrowded rubber boats. We should just thank our lucky stars we live in this country after seeing what is happening in the rest of the world. This year alone there will be over 25 million displaced undocumented people roaming over this planet. If you really want to stop illegal immigration pressure Congress to go after the businessmen who illegally hire these undocumented workers. No jobs and no illegal immigration, problem solved. This of course will never happen and we will continue to waste our efforts working on the wrong side of the issue.

[Bigdog]

Without some form of ID...how can you prove who you are? Tell them to call your mom? Yeah, she would never lie... Honest... So I guess all the new laws about gender identity, a gays and lesbians, no ID required to vote and ignoring the illegal alien influx problem isn't about demcrats having more people to vote for them? Only an idiot can not see though this democratic ploy to pander for votes... People without ID or that don't want ID have something to hide...

Get used to saying PESIDENT TRUMP, Hilary is going to jail, sanders can not beat Trump. Lack of ID will not prevent the election of TRUMP.. America will become great again.... The liberal/socialist/commie agenda will never prevail... Idiots/morons and uneducated far right fools with proper ID will take control... The hijacking of the constitution is over....

[wiseguy]

a few things are not being completely understood...
first the law, sb1070 is not to stop cops from pulling over hispanics.
i am required by federal law to have id proving who i am and my eligibility to be here (read your SS card or drivers license, both say that it must be presented upon demand). if i get pulled over for speeding and do not have a DL to show them, they can ask for other ID, and if i can not provide that, they CAN detain me until my identity id determined. SB1070 states that they can NOT do that to anyone of any hispanic origin. If someone hispanic gets pulled over, for speeding and can not provide a license, the officer can not investigate further and ask for other documentation showing identity or eligibility to be here. they must under the law say "thank you" and send them on their way.

second, according to border patrol,
OCT 1 - NOV 30, 2014---- 4,577 families crossed the southwestern border illegally
OCT 1 - NOV 30, 2015----12,505 families crossed the southwestern border illegally
an increase of 173%

why is this happening? here is a picture of the actual U.S. Mexico border in AZ.


yup....that's it.

and to make it worse....


illegal immigrants crossed the border and snuck in crossing the desert and died. the families of those immigrants (illegal immigrants...therefore by definition criminals who died during the commission of a crime) sued the state of Arizona and won so we are now legally required to keep these type of water stations out to make it safer for others to break the law.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?

One thing that is not being completely understood is that you have no idea of what you're talking about. The Arizona legislature believed that the federal government was not doing enough to fight illegal immigration so it took matters into its own hands by passing S.B. 1070, which seeks to put so many restrictions on illegal immigrants in the state that they will give up and go home. The United States went to federal court to block it, arguing that the law violates the Constitution because it is trumped by federal immigration laws. The Constitution does not give states the right to make their own immigration laws.

The SCOTUS stuck down three provisions in S.B. 1070. The first was Section 3 of the law, which makes it a crime to fail to carry valid immigration papers while in Arizona. Next was Section 5(C) which would make it a crime to apply for or hold a job in Arizona unless you have valid immigration papers. The third was was Section 6 that would allow police officers to arrest someone without a warrant if the police officer has probable cause to believe that the individual has done something that would justify his deportation from the United States.

What you would have us belive about the S.B. 1070 law is totally bogus. It DOES NOT give "anyone of any hispanic origin" more or different rights than anyone else. You must get your information from the same sources as Bigdog.

As for "profiling". How would you like it if the police regularly pulled you over and their only reason was because you looked like someone who might do something illegal? Would you be cool with that?

Also, your assertion that Arizona is legally required to keep water stations on the border is also bogus. Those water stations are provided by Humane Borders which is a non-profit humanitarian organization and serviced by volunteers. Besides this... what type of person would begrudge a humanitarian act like placing water stations in areas where they may save lives?

[wiseguy]

Without some form of ID...how can you prove who you are? Tell them to call your mom? Yeah, she would never lie... Honest... So I guess all the new laws about gender identity, a gays and lesbians, no ID required to vote and ignoring the illegal alien influx problem isn't about demcrats having more people to vote for them? Only an idiot can not see though this democratic ploy to pander for votes... People without ID or that don't want ID have something to hide...

Get used to saying PESIDENT TRUMP, Hilary is going to jail, sanders can not beat Trump. Lack of ID will not prevent the election of TRUMP.. America will become great again.... The liberal/socialist/commie agenda will never prevail... Idiots/morons and uneducated far right fools with proper ID will take control... The hijacking of the constitution is over....

Bigdog, you are a fool in the broadest definition of the word. I cannot continue wasting time debunking all the bullshit you spew out. Facts mean absolutely nothing to you. Human rights are beyond your scope of understanding. You sir are pathetic. You are also very wrong about who will be the next president... which you will no doubt be here whining about in November.

[The Lone Ranger]

Gentlemen the thing to remember is there is a way to solve the immigration problem and still maintain a humane way of dealing with the desperate people trying to get into this country. Our problem is not as great as say what is happening in Europe right now. We have time to correct the situation, but we will not compromise, and do what is needed as long as our government is paralyzed, due to deadlock by the dead wood in Washington. As far as voter ID is concerned any type of ID should be ok. After all as far a democracies go out of 35 voting countries we rank 31st in voter turn out, and we are the country trying to spread democracy, really?

[The Lone Ranger]

Get used to saying PESIDENT TRUMP, Hilary is going to jail, sanders can not beat Trump. Lack of ID will not prevent the election of TRUMP.. America will become great again.... The liberal/socialist/commie agenda will never prevail... Idiots/morons and uneducated far right fools with proper ID will take control... The hijacking of the constitution is over....

Trump is a nationalist, isolationist, bigoted, no nothing that quotes Mussolini the father of modern Fascism, the very leader that inspired Hitler. So saying President Trump to me would be like saying Sig Hiel. His ignorance of the very office he aspires to is astounding and disturbing. He is not sure of what the President can and can't do, after all the President is not an absolute monarch or a dictator, at least not yet. Forget the ID just get everyone to the polls and make sure they vote. At least if this is the election of the century and the wrong choice is made, I at least want to say I did my civic responsibility, like I have done every election, since I was old enough to vote.

[wiseguy]

Trump is a nationalist, isolationist, bigoted, no nothing that quotes Mussolini the father of modern Fascism, the very leader that inspired Hitler. So saying President Trump to me would be like saying Sig Hiel. His ignorance of the very office he aspires to is astounding and disturbing.

And those are his best qualities.

[wiseguy]

If you listIt can be said that people support Trump because they're fed up with business as usual... but that is not an excuse for stupidity. The people who support Trump do so because they are stupid... period. His base is full of loud, illiterate and credulous people. Trump said he "loves the poorly educated", and he should, because without them he would have gotten nowhere.

Trump is an actor and a con man. He pretends to be stupid and angry because that’s what stupid and angry people like. He speaks to his supporters with a vocabulary that has been analyzed to be at a 5th grade level. His supporters know nothing about how the government operates and don't care to. This lets him promise a lot things that he can't possibly deliver and his supporters are too stupid to realize it.

Trump supporters:

• Don't care that he has NO qualifications for the job.
• Don't care that he knows nothing about our Constitution.
• Don't care that he doesn't explain how he will do anything.
• Don't know that he can't do what he promises.
• Have no interest in facts.
• Know nothing about how our government operates.
• Share his bigoted and racist views.

If you listen to a Trump rally speech and don't realize that he's talking to you like you're an idiot... you're an idiot.